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SurvivalUK and the Law

I just want to make a few things clear.

  • Our government is useless, corrupt and overbearing
  • Our justice system does not punish the criminals but the general public
  • We have too many laws touching on subjects that there should be no laws on

  • I am a Libertarian and believe that governments only reason for being is basic competencies such as a Justice system and Defence
  • I believe in crime and punishment
  • I believe in equality, freedom for all and you can do what you want as long as it does not impact on anyone else
  • I hold no love for our interfering governments over the last 25 years

  • I have set up this site, and put my head above the parapet, to help others prepare what we all suspect is coming. Originally our fear was nuclear war or natural events now it is more likely to be a societal collapse
  • These preparations are hampered by government legislation
  • This site is not intended to encourage people to break the law no matter how stupid those laws are

So although I may talk about building a .22 SMG to Phil Luty’s (RIP) design I am only pointing out what you could do if your local legislation allows it, I also point out what you can and cannot do in the UK when I am aware of the law there being so many now nobody really knows what is legal and what is not, not even Plod. So I provide the information so that those that do not live in a mickey mouse country can learn. In addition when the government in the UK is dragged kicking and screaming from their place at the trough in their ivory tower then the information may be of use in the aftermath of that. At this point in time having this knowledge is not being illegal even if our lords and masters don’t want you to know it.

Personally, I don’t want to be involved in any rioting or stringing up of politicians and my advice to you is keep out of it. I am actually not a violent person and would rather stick to my own morals regarding killing. I think politicians should go to jail for a long time rather than die but that will never happen because they have made themselves above the law and know it. On the other hand I will be apathetic to their fate and would not lift a finger to help them as they are strung up as they brought it on themselves. In addition I would not supply information to the Stasi (if I have an option) so they can persecute others. My morals allow that no problem. I put the option bit in so that if they torture me I’ll give you up in a heartbeat.

So bottom line, don’t come to this site expecting advice or help on assassination or violence against our government. I’m not doing that nor will I encourage it. Don’t write about doing anything illegal on the site or send me emails with anything illegal in them and everything will be fine. Remember that every email and post is monitored by the Stasi and they are not on your side. Survivalists/Preppers are actually down as subversives so you are already being considered an enemy of the state and are being watched. However, I will offer links and advice on lawful rebellion and non violent protest as is allowed in the EUSSR, at the moment anyway. All hail the state.

I’ll continue legally showing articles that if acted upon are not legal in the UK at this time due to our laws but do so that we can learn and prepare for when it is legal or society breaks down and there is no legal system.

I also accept no responsibility for what others decide to do with this information. It is not my information it usually is readily available on the web as it should be in a free society.

10 comments to SurvivalUK and the Law

  • Skean Dhude

    Mulder,

    I can see where you are coming from and I can confirm that my intent is only to help others prepare and, let us be especially clear, to do that I have put my head well and truly above the parapet. I’ve been around for some time and an extremely vocal Libertarian and not a supporter of a big state. I’m well aware of our governments KGB style work and have warned people about the web, telephone and email monitoring for a very long time now. In fact I still manage a small site on privacy and security advising on encryption and steganography and this site has been around since the early 1990′s. Sadly it need a major update but I just do not have the time.

    I’m looking at doing and article on Tor for this site though and I’m also looking at setting up an anonymous server. If you are interested in helping others with your experiences, ie writing it, I’ll keep you anonymous of course. Otherwise I’ll rely on you to make sure that the article is correct. If you are interested in helping others let me know and we can sort something out where you can keep yourself hidden yet help others at the same time. Too late for me as I know I’m already on a list.

  • tinkertytonk

    First, I’d don’t think any of the alternative thinkers or preppers I have come into contact with are violent people. To get to the point of frustration where you back off from the system I believe is symptomatic of people who CARE about others. To be able to recognize how it all could go wrong for yourself and others means you CARE about others. If sadly day after day you survive on state pacifiers; TV, Beer, Fags Legal & Illegal Drugs the latest techno gadget it generally means you can not care about yourself or others. The current system is about encouraging people to not be aware (or care) about those around them. I care about me and others and thus can see how badly things are set up.

    I care about people, I would never hurt anyone and have never intentionally done so. I do however, know that by societies norms which are generally defined by myself and Mr. Neitzcher ( European Morality is Heard Morality)!! Because were different and generally pacifier free we can be painted by the mass government media as being non-caring, desperate, potentially violent people; what utter nonsense!!!!!!!!

    However, SK, you do need to be careful about what you publish as you ultimately are responsible for the content that goes on here. I would suggest that you formulate a ‘joining statement’ that you get people to accept before they join. Something about non-violence non-political etc ect It then shows you are trying to filter out any violent element that may want to join or agent provocateurs that may be sent to stir up trouble on the website (that will happen).

    I would also suggest that you give one warning to people who send violent stuff then get rid of them if they continue. Oh, and a bit of relevant history for the state operatives reading this email; it was written by a Paster in Hitlers Germany:

    First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist.
    Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me.

    You may laugh at my historical message but how far are you up the pecking order in the state system to feel safe enough from the effects of this type of police state? I doubt most of you are high enough up for you and yours not to escape the terrible world you would live in should this type of state get much closer; and closer its getting.

    Just think about it; I know that’s difficult but people/individuals make an organizations waht it is not organization itself. You can choose not to do the job you do; yes that may mean unemployment, a less cool car, a smaller TV but you do have a choice not to play the game.

  • tinkertytonk

    Oh, and this is also relevant. If I could go and live in a wood with twenty other like minded people and be free of the system I would. I would not impose my way of life on anyone else but would happily give that lifestyle a go. The state ensures that this is not possible though (unless you have hundreds of thousands of pounds)……….I know I’ve looked into it. I ask this one question:

    ‘Why does the state make it so difficult to go and live in a wood with like minded people and live that lifestyle? Answer, ‘because the state knows that by allowing people to do that would open a floodgate of thousands, tens of thousands of people choosing to do it’!!!!!

    They system knows its broken and it try’s to maintain itself by squeezing free minded people as hard as they can; like a bar of soap in the bath. The result of doing that, the soap in the bath, is inevitable. Pop it eventually fly’s FREEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! Its beyond me why the state continues to squeeze; perhaps the plan is to squeeze, squeeze, squeeze hoping that something goes ‘bang’ providing the excuse so it can squeeze some more. Well, rest assured I’m not going ‘bang’ but I’m going to continue to remain as free as I can be……..for as long as I can. Remember, and the state knows this, LIBERTY IS INFECTIOUS’.

  • moosedog

    Well said Tinkertytonk

  • maddog

    i second that

  • fred

    I am actually not a violent person and would rather stick to my own morals regarding killing.

    What morals are they? That it’s fine to do to the corrupt above us?

  • Skean Dhude

    Tinkertytonk,

    Looks like they liked your comment. I have to agree with them. Unfortunately the people that read this site are in the minority. We can only do so much. History shows that everything goes in cycles, this is no different and we are on the downward part of the cycle at the moment. All we can do is make sure we are ready for the inevitable big crash as we hit the bottom.

    I appreciate the warning about the content of the site. I already have several policy documents available and I have already removed abusive comments and will continue to do so. I also put up all posts and so have control that way. I feel comfortable about the site although I am more concerned about the forum I am looking at implementing in the future. Control freak that I am.

    I’m also in agreement that although we tend to keep quiet about what we do we are generally a very helpful bunch and I have no doubt we will continue to do so where we can after an event until the bulk of our society.

    I’ve used that warning myself and there are now several versions of it around, First they came for the Smokers, etc. It is a tried and trusted technique, divide and conquer, split them up. They did it with gun owners, smokers and soon drinkers, fat people. English white males are a favourite unprotected target.

    Fred,

    My morals are simple. Do no harm to others but if they attempt to harm you squash them like bugs. As far as politicians are concerned, the actual bit you refer to, I would prefer them to go to jail for their crimes but cannot see it happening and in the words of JFK ‘Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.’ They will get their just deserts eventually. Jail via people like us who respect life or waiting till a revolution and bouncing on hemp ropes by people who care less about life. I wish those were the only options but they are going to take us all down with them.

  • grumpy old man

    it was written by a Paster in Hitlers Germany:

    First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist.
    Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me.

    i remember this from school, it stuck in my head but not all the words just the main point
    that you have to help the underdog even if their thinking is different from yours because when the time comes for you then it could be too late.

  • Skean Dhude

    Grumpty,

    Frommy reading on history it is usually the socialists and communists that do the coming. Just once in history it was them getting it and boy do they whinge. Just look around. Most governments are socialists and most of them come around knocking at 0400 armed to the teeth and willing to shoot you as soon as you resist in the slightet.

    The poem though is pretty accurate and descibes current government technique.

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